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[Mehmood_Khan]

Akbar S Ahmad when he was Pakistani high commisioner in Britian, made 2 versions of Jannah film, one for skeptics, and one for the consumptions of common Muslims. Later he was removed from his job because he had embezzeled the funds for Jannah movie.

Such is the character from who you are quoting. How honest he may be, can be well-guessed!  

[imraan khan jadoon]

no mate he did not embezzle any monies.It was said that his son and the director of the movie were investigated.Or that the director of the movie complained about irregularities about not being paid?.
I think Mehmood bhai u r being a trifle bit naughty!!True facts please not indian overtones please....

[imraan khan jadoon]

Akbar .S. Ahmad a Cambridge fellow currently lecturing in America.A Pashtoon.A man of honour and integrity has written many a book on Islam. You r shaming yourself.

[imraan khan jadoon]

So this is why afghans hate Pakistan!.

[Pukhtun*]

He was not a leader of islam but was some one like karzai or the one installed in iraq,the muslims had given a lot of sacrifice to make this country with the death of millions of people as well as ulama and pukhtun nationalists,and the plan the muslims had made was that pakistan should have all the area's which were muslim dominated and that includes ahmadabad and gujraath etc. in india but the british quickly made decisions in all the caos and we only realised after the effects.

[imraan khan jadoon]

Yes thats correct Nehru was getting all cosy with mountbattens wife and mountbatten got rather close to Nehrus wife and the rest they say was history.
Its all true u know

[Mehmood_Khan]

He is not a Pakhtun but an Urdu-speaking Muhajir who married in an affluent family of Swat. It is very shameful that you are trying to conceal the truth.

Why are you bringing in Nehru?

Mr. Nepkikhel, except Mualana Shabir Ahmad Usmani, all other Ulema opposed the establishment of Pakistan.

[Pukhtun*]

i didnt say he was pukhtun?

[jabbar mian]

Akber S Ahmed is my favourite..he is half Pashtoon ..half Sayed..but regardless of this race issue, I am impressed by his nobility, his achievements in life and his humility...

wassallam

[Pukhtun*]

Mr. Nepkikhel, except Mualana Shabir Ahmad Usmani, all other Ulema opposed the establishment of Pakistan.

The Ulama of Deoband, with resoluteness and trust in Allah, have always been not only in the foremost rank of those who have struggled in the movement for the independence of India but they have also frequently been in the lead of this movement for independence; and if it is seen more thoughtfully and justly, they were the first persons, the pioneers, who initiated this idea. The warmth, vigour and catholicity which was created in this movement in fact is indebted to them. Most of these gentlemen raised the banner of revolt against the English government, fought face to face with the English army and many of them passed a good part of their lives in jail. The fact is that the history of the independence movement of India is so mixed up with the history of the Ulama and religious personalities that it is now difficult to separate one from the other. Political decline had reduced Muslims to a state of helplessness and misery, distraction and anxiety; by the establishment of Darul-Uloom, Deoband, they received equanimity, composure and stability.

In 1333HD. 1913AD., Hazrat Nanautavi's well-guided pupil, Maulana Mahmood Hasan Shaikhul-Hind prepared a scheme of stirring a revolution against the British Government which has been called "Silken Letters" in the report of the Rowlatt Committee. But by chance this scheme of Silken Letters miscarried and the Shaikhul-Hind, along with his accomplices', Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani, Maulana Ozair Gul and others were arrested and kept under detention in the island of Malta in the Mediterranean Sea for a number of years; and the Shaikhul-Hind's disciples, Maulana Ubaydullah Sindhi and Maulana Mansoor Ansari had to pass a very long time of their lives in exile.

In 1338/1920, after his release from Malta, the Shaikhul-Hind joined the jami'atul-Ulama which his disciples had founded in 1337/1919 to give a fillip to the independence movement. The jami'atul-Ulama shoulder to shoulder with the Indian National Congress, serpent its force in awakening the country politically and socially. Maulana Sayyid Husain Ahmad Madani, Maulana Mufti Kifayatullah Dehlavi, Maulana Sayyid Fakhrud-Deen Ahmad, and later on, Maulana Hifzur-Rahman, Maulana Mufti Ateequr-Rahman Usmani, Maulana Minnatullah Rahmani, Maulana Habibur-Rahman Ludhyanvi, Maulana Sayyid Muhammad Miyan Deobandi and many other Ulama of Deoband not only remained in the forefront of the movements for the freedom of the country but they have also been the cause of coming into being of several other movements and have consequently suffered the hardships of imprisonment and jail.

In 1345/1926, the gentlemen who sowed the seeds of complete independence for Indian in the meeting of the Jami'atul-Ulama-e-Hind at Calcutta were the graduates of Darul-Uloom, Deoband, only; and then they reiterated it in 1346/1927 in the meeting at Peshawar.

It should be made clear here that the Indian National Congress had declared complete independence three years later in its session at Lahore.

Abdul-Gaffar khan, during his visit to India in 1389|1969, addressing the students of Darul-Uloom, had said:-

"I have had relation with Darul-Uloom since the time the Shaikhul-Hind Maulana Mahmood Hasan was alive. Sitting here we used to make plans for the independence movement as to how we might drive away the English from this country and how we could make India free from the yoke of slavery of the English. This institution has made great efforts for the freedom of this country".

It is stated in the magazine 'Ilm wa Agahi of Government National College, Karachi, as under:-

"Darul-Uloom Deoband, is not merely an old-type institution of Islamic ; it is, rather, the name of a glorious movement for the revivification of Islam and the stability of the community. Darul-Uloom, Deoband, was a centre of revolution and political, training. It nurtured such a body of such a body of self-sacrificing soldiers of Islam and sympathisers of the community who themselves wept in the grief of the community and also made others weep; who themselves tossed about restlessly for the restitution of the Muslims' dignity and caused others also to toss about. They themselves sacrificed their lives for the attainment of respectable life and also taught the lesson of self-sacrifice and self-denial to others. They shattered the Muslims' intellectual stagnation, they broke up the spell of the British imperialism, and, grappling with the contemporary tyrannical powers, dispelled fear and anxiety from the minds of the country. Not only this; they kindled the candle of freedom in the political wilderness of Aligarh, extricated from the baseness of ideal, created the sense of the superficiality of objective, and in that assembly where the law of muteness was in force, where tongues were chopped off on talking and where sentinels were set on the minds, they blew the trumpet of revolution, and rescuing a large body of young men from the squalor of toadayis life appointed them on the post of guidance in the struggle for the independence of the country. It is a historical fact that the political awakening that was created in Aligarh in the beginning of the twentieth century was indebted to Deoband and some other revolutionary movements in the country, and the revolutionary freedom-lovers who rose up there were the products of the grace from the spring of thought of Deoband.

"The elders of Deoband took more and more part in the struggle for the independence of the country; they suffered all the troubles of this path and came out successful in every test, After the establishment of Darul-Uloom the period of participation in national politics begins with Hazrat Shaikh al-Hind.Maulana Ubaydullah Sindhi has acknowledged the Shaikh al-Hinds life to be a separate epoch of the Waliyullahian movement. The caravan of resolute men prepared under the leadership of the Shaikh al-Hind included Maulana Ubaydullah Sindhi, Maulana Muhammad Mian Mansoor Ansari, Maulana Fazl-e Rabbi (member Hai'at-e Tamizia, Afghanistan), Maulana Sayfur-Rahman Kabuli, Maulana Muhammad Sadiq Karachwi, Mfti Kifayatullah Dehelvi, Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani, Maulana Ahmed Ali Lahori and many other great ones. Even today, from India to Pakistan, the graduates of Darul-Uloom Deoband, are guiding the country and the community in the field of politics. The leaders of the movement for Pakistan derived benefit from the course adopted in certain matters by an illustrious religious divine of Deoband, viz., Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, while Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani was himself among the leaders of the movement for Pakistan and he, with his best scholarly capacities, tried to make the Muslim League firm and steady in the ideal of Islamic state. Then, after the establishment of Pakistan, the Indian leaders of Deoband guided the Indian Muslims in utterly adverse circumstances and helped keep up their spirits high; and in Pakistan the august men of his order took up the gauntlet of reconstruction and service to the country and the community with a new determination and guided the community with their capacities and abilities in every walk of life in Pakistan.

[ludin_racer]

i said that i found an interesting article about jinnah.. we it was about him changing his religion just for a girl as mehmood khan mentioned in one of his post.. the reason that many of you guys don't know about all this is because they dont' teach you all that in your schools.. if they teach you the truth than there will be no one proud of pakistan.. i'm not talking about only pashtuns.. also i have heard that he never talked in urdu.. why is that?? so how is he a hero of a muslim country if he was not even a muslim?? maybe, because pakis don't have a real hero so the just picked a business man..

[Spogmai]

Jinnah, the first child of a rich merchant of skins, hides and gum Arabic, was a Khoja Moslem. The Khojas were recent converts to Islam however carried Hindu names. “Jinnah” is a Hindu name. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the Khojas attempted to return to Hinduism but were repeatedly rebuffed and rejected. Dhobi ka kutha, na ghar ka nag hat ka.

“Jinnah was not a devout Moslem. He infringed the Islamic code by drinking alcohol and eating pork”, writes Louis Fischer, the author of “The Story of Indonesia” and “Gandhi”.

According to an article published on Jinnah in the London Economist of September 17, 1949, Jinnah’s first goal was Hindu-Moslem unity and later on he moved to England and began practicing law in London. He even did not want to go back to India and sold his possessions (in India) through an agent. It was only when somebody repeated to him that Nehru, whom he despised and hated, had imprudently said at a private party that “Jinnah was finished.” Outraged, Jinnah packed up and sailed back to India at once just to ‘show Nehru’. He capitalized on the religious sentiments of the Moslems particularly the upper- and middle-class Moslems of India who were fearful of Hindu rule and were reluctant to see the departure of the British who helped them obtain political jobs and adequate political representation. Jinnah gave them an intoxicating banner: Pakistan. Jinnah was motivated by his furious hatred of Nehru, who had worked under him and driven him out of politics. This is how Pakistan was made: A fanatic’s paradise that left one-fifth of India’s Muslims under Hindu rule. Hurt pride is a ferocious beast.

Spogmai

[ludin_racer]

Jinnah, the first child of a rich merchant of skins, hides and gum Arabic, was a Khoja Moslem. The Khojas were recent converts to Islam however carried Hindu names. “Jinnah” is a Hindu name. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the Khojas attempted to return to Hinduism but were repeatedly rebuffed and rejected. Dhobi ka kutha, na ghar ka nag hat ka.

“Jinnah was not a devout Moslem. He infringed the Islamic code by drinking alcohol and eating pork”, writes Louis Fischer, the author of “The Story of Indonesia” and “Gandhi”.

According to an article published on Jinnah in the London Economist of September 17, 1949, Jinnah’s first goal was Hindu-Moslem unity and later on he moved to England and began practicing law in London. He even did not want to go back to India and sold his possessions (in India) through an agent. It was only when somebody repeated to him that Nehru, whom he despised and hated, had imprudently said at a private party that “Jinnah was finished.” Outraged, Jinnah packed up and sailed back to India at once just to ‘show Nehru’. He capitalized on the religious sentiments of the Moslems particularly the upper- and middle-class Moslems of India who were fearful of Hindu rule and were reluctant to see the departure of the British who helped them obtain political jobs and adequate political representation. Jinnah gave them an intoxicating banner: Pakistan. Jinnah was motivated by his furious hatred of Nehru, who had worked under him and driven him out of politics. This is how Pakistan was made: A fanatic’s paradise that left one-fifth of India’s Muslims under Hindu rule. Hurt pride is a ferocious beast.

Spogmai

there you go peeps.. any one wana know more about QAID-KUFUR ..

[Nangyalee]

Well there is a lot of things flying around about jinnah. i never took him seriously thats why i never did any research on the gy. i don't know if the info provided above is true or false.

I know one thing though Jinnah was a good man regardless of his religion. Our pukhtoon leaders were more  inclined to adjoin us with India. If that is true then well Jinnah was a great man to save us from that atleast.

Man have you seen india, its just plan nasty and especially south india. man omg seriously its would have been a night mare for me. Timals and malayalams running around stincking the whole place up nnooooo ***** way. it just gives me the creeps

[Spogmai]

Well there is a lot of things flying around about jinnah. i never took him seriously thats why i never did any research on the gy. i don't know if the info provided above is true or false.

I know one thing though Jinnah was a good man regardless of his religion. Our pukhtoon leaders were more  inclined to adjoin us with India. If that is true then well Jinnah was a great man to save us from that atleast.

Man have you seen india, its just plan nasty and especially south india. man omg seriously its would have been a night mare for me. Timals and malayalams running around stincking the whole place up nnooooo ***** way. it just gives me the creeps

Apart from what has been said about Jinnah above, he was a remarkable figure. He almost never laughed. He frequently wore European clothes and was undoubtedly one of the best dressed men in the British Empire. He knew little Urdu. Contrary to what Mehmood Khan mentioned, he was a superb and successful lawyer and a superb political craftsman. Also, he was incorruptible, rich and disinterested in economic benefits for himself.

Spogmai

[ludin_racer]

it was better that pakistan and bangaladish were with india.. because the muslim population of india is too low now.. however if they were in india than muslim pop would have been more than 50%.. so muslims could have more power over the whole india..

[Malang Pashtoon]

assallam o alaikum to all,

Well I don,t read this propaganda and hate crap by this hate monger "congressi" agent...who writes in different websites..and got kicked out by almost all of them...

When they talk against Quaid e Azam it is like spitting on the sky..and when they spit on the sky...spit falls back on their jealous faces...

Beloved father of nation....world class barrister...a man of character and integrity....we salute you quaid..and we are thankful to you....

Please share with me following true information about father of the great nation and great country....

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 Law----------------------------------------------

wassallam

 jabbar Mian , I think People Know better thes days dont you think??

  and there is nothing wrong to be a Kongressi.


 ____________________ K.Khattak ____________________________________________

[Ghilzai]

i said that i found an interesting article about jinnah.. we it was about him changing his religion just for a girl as mehmood khan mentioned in one of his post.. the reason that many of you guys don't know about all this is because they dont' teach you all that in your schools.. if they teach you the truth than there will be no one proud of pakistan.. i'm not talking about only pashtuns.. also i have heard that he never talked in urdu.. why is that?? so how is he a hero of a muslim country if he was not even a muslim?? maybe, because pakis don't have a real hero so the just picked a business man..

I wonder Ludin what have you been learning in canadian schools and what Communist So "Calles" Pushtoon have been teaning Afghan when they were kicking their backs for more than 10 years. I think you should change ur nick to Comrade Pukhtoon Bin Russia.

Tell me about ur hero ....... any one ... if you can find one ........ specially in your beloved afghanistan,  

Lemme help you, Mr. Mullah Omar .... Mr. Karzai ........ Gulabadin Hikmatyar ........ Ahmed shah Masood ........ Zahir Shah  ( this so called father of afghanistan not even went back to afghanistan for donno how many decades)

Hey Comrade Pukhtoon Bin Russia,  better get your affirs in order than pointing finger at us.

[Ghilzai]

it was better that pakistan and bangaladish were with india.. because the muslim population of india is too low now.. however if they were in india than muslim pop would have been more than 50%.. so muslims could have more power over the whole india..

You know wat i think, Afghanistan would have been better off taken over by USSR, then atleast you would have some thing to eat and sit in one place, rather than being kicked around in turns by various countries of the world.  

[Malang Pashtoon]

Jinnah, the first child of a rich merchant of skins, hides and gum Arabic, was a Khoja Moslem. The Khojas were recent converts to Islam however carried Hindu names. “Jinnah” is a Hindu name. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the Khojas attempted to return to Hinduism but were repeatedly rebuffed and rejected. Dhobi ka kutha, na ghar ka nag hat ka.

“Jinnah was not a devout Moslem. He infringed the Islamic code by drinking alcohol and eating pork”, writes Louis Fischer, the author of “The Story of Indonesia” and “Gandhi”.

According to an article published on Jinnah in the London Economist of September 17, 1949, Jinnah’s first goal was Hindu-Moslem unity and later on he moved to England and began practicing law in London. He even did not want to go back to India and sold his possessions (in India) through an agent. It was only when somebody repeated to him that Nehru, whom he despised and hated, had imprudently said at a private party that “Jinnah was finished.” Outraged, Jinnah packed up and sailed back to India at once just to ‘show Nehru’. He capitalized on the religious sentiments of the Moslems particularly the upper- and middle-class Moslems of India who were fearful of Hindu rule and were reluctant to see the departure of the British who helped them obtain political jobs and adequate political representation. Jinnah gave them an intoxicating banner: Pakistan. Jinnah was motivated by his furious hatred of Nehru, who had worked under him and driven him out of politics. This is how Pakistan was made: A fanatic’s paradise that left one-fifth of India’s Muslims under Hindu rule. Hurt pride is a ferocious beast.

Spogmai

                          I WILL keep My MOUTH SHUT.............................  sorry
      Spogmai KHUREY !1 You Can Possibly amagine the meaning OF JINAH  ..

[Malang Pashtoon]

Tell me about ur hero ....... any one ... if you can find one ........ specially in your beloved afghanistan,  

 The Film They have started 60 year ago( NOW in MULTIPAL COLORS) is still not complete BECOUSE they are looking for a another hero.  They are using REAL bullits in action scens and the heros getting killed evrytime. thats why the dont have any heros. There is  a chance for every one. just contact the director

 
                         Ghilzai  BRO!! Forgive him. He  is na na na na ninteen. Only

_______________________ K.Khattak ____________________

[Spogmai]

                          I WILL keep My MOUTH SHUT.............................  sorry
      Spogmai KHUREY !1 You Can Possibly amagine the meaning OF JINAH  ..

Malang Pashtoon wrora, sorry to say I did not understand your question. By Jinah, you perhaps refer to Jannah, i.e., paradise. The Hindu name is Jinnah, and don't forget Jinnah's father name Ponjah. And among the over 1 Billion Muslims today, could you possibly up come with one Muslim name as Ponjah or Jinnah?

Spogmai

[jabbar mian]

                          I WILL keep My MOUTH SHUT.............................  sorry
      Spogmai KHUREY !1 You Can Possibly amagine the meaning OF JINAH  ..

Malang Pashtoon wrora, sorry to say I did not understand your question. By Jinah, you perhaps refer to Jannah, i.e., paradise. The Hindu name is Jinnah, and don't forget Jinnah's father name Ponjah. And among the over 1 Billion Muslims today, could you possibly up come with one Muslim name as Ponjah or Jinnah?

Spogmai

assallam o alaikum...

Spogmai sister why can,t we concentrate on his works and his achievements rather than his personal life..and Hindu Ancestry...all of us have Buddhist and Hindu background....but alhamdulillah now we have 1.5 billion Muslims on this earth..if we ask a Mullah ..then he will declare most of them as "kafirs"...although he himself couldn,t convert a single person to Islam....

"Mohammad Ali"...is a Muslim name....Jinnah was his centuries old family name....like "chaudry" is not a Muslim title....word "afghan" was used before Islam....Pashtoon Family name ..."khan" is not a Muslim word.... I hope you get my point..and I hope no ones fragile feelings and pride is hurt..just discussion..

wassallam

 

[Pukhtun*]

abdul jabara the khe ye ke yaw mullah alim? aw da post de weli modify ku? it had proof who you were! you are follower of ghulam ahmad qadyani malu'n!

[Pukhtun*]

yalaka satakiya zaan ye ghalai ka'lai wo ne was khu ratha sabuth melaw shu!