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Yousafzai98
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Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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Decide yourself !!!
The great jurist of Islamic Law, Imam Abu Hanifah (r.t.a), has ruled. Once a person claimed that he is a Prophet of ALLAH. Imam Abu Hanifah (r.t.a) made an announcement;
"Anyone who demands proof from him (a claimant to Prophethood) will become a Kafir (disbeliever), as Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) has emphatically said: 'No Prophet will come after me". (Manaqib Abi Hanifah).
The one who denies all the facts, the one who denies any one Ayah of Quran, the one who denies any true Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) and the last and the most important thing, he who declares anyone as the Prophet after the finality of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) or follows on his sayings;
"Is a Muslim or a Kafir"?. And if someone still doubts, is a Kafir himself.
Every Muslim is advised to remain mindful of this fundamental teaching of Islam and the activities of misguided organizations, like these Qadyani (Ahmadi) and Bahai movements, whose leaders reject this clear decree of ALLAH and selfishly strive to divide mankind, misguide the uninformed, and create a following for their organization.
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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July 26, 2004, 04:21:01 PM »
so when jesus flies from heavens down 2 earth on his rocket, and when he tells ppl he is Jesus, Prophet of God, doesnt that technically makes him a prophet after muhammad pbuh? hence, doesnt ur formula apply 2 him too?
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he never died
MUhammed (saw) IS the LAST prophet, and there are no OTHER prophets after HIM, Isa (as) is not AFTER muhammed(saw) he is BEFORE, and he ihas not DIED
THER IS NO prophet BORN after the prophet(saw)
oh, who am i explaining this too
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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July 27, 2004, 01:16:49 AM »
For those who seek Knowledge:
1. Eesa Alaihe Salam (Jesus) has not died.
2. He will not return as a prophet.
3. He will return as Ummatee (follower) of the last prophet of Allah (Muhammad).
For Deucallion:
Dont get involved in foolish discussions. You will never convience them. They are "Fee Quloobihim Marazun Fazada Humullaho maraza"
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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July 27, 2004, 01:39:12 AM »
Salam friends Deucallion and Tahsin sab
they are always busy in disgracing islam .
so thats why we are here to defend islam and we have to stand against them.
Qadyani and Hadith (s.a.w.w)
"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of ALLAH and the Seal of the Prophets, and ALLAH has knowledge of everything". ( 33 : 40 ) Al-Quran.
Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w):
1. My position in relation to the Prophets who came before me, can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi, Masnad Ahmed, Abu Dawood)
2. ALLAH has bestowed upon me six favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy: I have been endowed with the gift of pithy and perfect speech; I was granted victory owing to my awe; The spoils of war were made lawful unto me; The whole earth has been made the place of worship for me and it has become the means of purification for me also. In other words, in my religion, offering of prayers is not confined to certain specified places of worship. Prayers can be offered at any place over the earth. And in case water is not available, it is lawful for my people to perform ablutions with earth (Tayammum) and to cleanse themselves with the soil, if water for bathing is scarce; I have been sent by ALLAH to carry His Divine message to the whole world; And the line of prophets has come to its final end in me. (Muslim, Tirimzi, Ibn-e-Majah)
3. I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity shall be erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall be assembled on Doomsday after my time. And I am the last in the sense that no Prophet shall succeed me. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi, Mishkawt)
4. You (Hazrat Ali) are related to me as Haroon was related to Musa. But no Apostle will come after me.
(Bukhari, Muslim); Musnad recorded the similar Hadith ending in, "Behold there is no Prophethood after me".
5. If ever there arose a person from among my people who would hold communion with ALLAH, it would be none else but Umar Bin Khattab. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi)
6. We are the last (Ummah) but will precede all on the Day of Resurrection except that the Book was given to them before us. (Bukhari, Muslim)
7. The tribe of Israel was guided by Prophets. When a Prophet passed away, another Prophet succeeded him. But no Prophet will come after me; only Caliphs will succeed me. (Bukhari)
8. I am the last in line of the Prophets of ALLAH and my Masjid is the last Masjid. (Muslim)
9. The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me.
(Tirimzi, Masnad Ahmed)
10. There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a Prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of ALLAH and no Prophet will come after me. (Abu Dawood, Tirmizi)
11. ALLAH will send no Apostle after me, but only Mubasshiraat (Good vision or pious vision). (Masnad Ahmed, Nisai, Abu Dawood)
12. No Prophet will come after me and there will, therefore, be no other community of followers of any new Prophet. (Baihaqi, Tibrani)
13. ALLAH has sent into the world no Apostle who did not warn his people about the appearance of Dajjal (Anti-Christ, but Dajjal did not appear in their time). I am the last in the line of Prophets and you are the last community of believers. Without doubt, then, Dajjal shall appear from amongst you. (Ibn-e-Majah)
14. I am Muhammad, the unlettered Prophet of ALLAH. I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of ALLAH. I am Muhammad, the unlettered Prophet of ALLAH. There will be no Prophet after me. (Masnad Ahmed)
Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w), on the ninth day of Zul Hajj, 10 A.H. (in the Uranah valley of Mount Arafaat) in Mecca, delivers the last Sermon to about 1,20,000 Muslims.
After praising and thanking ALLAH the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) said:
"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore, listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today. O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. ALLAH has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. ALLAH has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas Ibn-e-Abdul Muttalib (the deceased Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived. Beware of Shaitan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things. O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under ALLAH's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship ALLAH, say your five daily prayers (Salat), Fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to. All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves. Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. People, no Prophet or Apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O ALLAH! (said thrice), that I have conveyed your message to your people". (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi, Nisai, Abu Dawood, Masnad Ahmed
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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July 28, 2004, 01:25:37 PM »
Hlaka talib jana..could u give me some specifications about all these sects in islam ..who is muslman among them and who is kaffir.?.and who got the right to blame the otrhers for their religiouse believes or thaughts..and who got this authority right from God to say, i got this criteria to cosider u as kaffir.....all of u and according to the difinition one way or another u consider each other as kaffirs....
the stupid masses never ask who the hell among u ,sld we trust..?
u made our lives like hell for centuries and wasted millions of lives just for the sack of this nonsense...by creating hundereds of sects , where non of them is muslman or non of them is kaffir..
i do,nt kno which one is true?
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July 28, 2004, 05:26:43 PM »
Yousafzai I can not thank you enough for sharing these words with us. Especially the last Sermon of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. I mean can anyone come up with a conciece and yet complete speech like the last Sermon of Prophet Muhammad PBUH . This speech embodies the spirit of Islam
I am proud to belong to a religion which has noble ambitions and the stress on the rights of women here gives us an insight into the status of women in Islam. Alas! not a single country in this world can say that they actually follow rules that have been layed down by the Prophet Muhammad PBUH. The irony is that they have everything layed out and clearly explained however they are just not ready to accept it. It looks as if Muslims are bent upon their own distruction.
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July 28, 2004, 11:46:55 PM »
Salam
Well gharsaneya
you always call me talib jan so it will be much better for me to call u zindeeq .so Mr zindeeq
there is no sects in islam and if u are talkinga bout urself so quadyanis are not muslims .so u dont call them a sect of islam and u know they have been called in pakistan constitution as a non-muslim minority .and yes if still there are some sects in islam
they are just because of sensless people like u.
but inspite of this we belive in one God .one Prophet ,one Kaba ,one Quran . and we are just muslims. so there is no place for sects in our relegion .
just u people have made sects in our relegion just for the sack of few dollars to please ur American fathers.
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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July 29, 2004, 07:10:07 AM »
Blasphemy and Apostasy
The fair name of Islam has recently been darkened by the murderous directive issued by certain Muslim leaders and endorsed by their supporters that Salman Rusdhie must be assassinated as a result of his making blasphemous remarks about the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in his book Satanic Verses. No doubt Salman Rushdie has been guilty of blasphemy but this is not an offence for which the death penalty is prescribed by Islam. Not at all. No such instruction is contained in the holy Quran and it is a significant point to bear in mind that not one protagonist demanding his assassination has quoted a single verse from the Holy Quran as a basis of authority.
No Prophet of God was more blasphemed, maligned, insulted and abused during his life-time than the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. He and his faithful followers were subjected to every kind of verbal invective and physical harrassment. He was forced to migrate from Mecca to Medina due to the severity of persecution by the Meccans. Ten years later he returned to Mecca with ten thousand followers who could have taken the town by storm but the Holy Prophetsaw forbade any bloodshed. Much to the amazement of the Meccans he forgave them their cruel enormities and this was his general attitude throughout his life towards his enemies and blasphemous opponents. All Muslims look upon the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, as a perfect exemplar for mankind and they would do well to be moved and guided by his noble example.
Voices have also been raised that Salman Rushdie is an apostate from Islam for which the punishment is death. We hasten to state that not only is no such punishment for apostasy prescribed in the Holy Quran but on the other hand the following verse completely refutes this erroneous claim:
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the right way. (4:138)
This verse proclaims that persons who renounce Islam have the opportunity to re-enter Islam if they so choose. This verse disproves the assertion that according to the Holy Quran an apostate should be put to death. Were death the automatic punishment for an apostate then there arises no question of having the opportunity to join Islam again. This verse mentions apostates who again accept Islam.
There is no mention in the Holy Quran or anywhere else of any punishment for an apostate which may be meted out to him by any other person. The consequences of his apostasy in this world and in the next life lie solely in the hands of God. Man is free to accept or reject whatever beliefs he chooses. God says in the Holy Quran:
There is no compulsion in religion. (2:257)
It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will believe and let him who will disbelieve. (18:30)
Islam recognizes the right of freedom of conscience and freedom of belief and that as far as one's religious belief is concerned one is answerable to God alone. No man has the right to punish another for his choice of belief. There is absolutely no compulsion whatsoever in Islam and no punishment of any kind permitted in the Holy Quran for apostasy.
Human rights are laid own in the Holy Quran which guarantee man the right of perfect freedom of faith and conscience. In such matters God is the Judge - not man. Our constant prayer is Guide us on the Right Path. (1:6) - Amen.
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to Digital:
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so when jesus flies from heavens down 2 earth on his rocket, and when he tells ppl .....
You were almost right in you last reply. But the reply before that (see quotation above) carries a clear message that you were making fun of our religious beliefs.
Please
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in future. Try not to hurt feelings of someone.
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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Quote from: Tehsin Ullah Jan on July 29, 2004, 08:07:04 AM
to Digital:
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so when jesus flies from heavens down 2 earth on his rocket, and when he tells ppl .....
You were almost right in you last reply. But the reply before that (see quotation above) carries a clear message that you were making fun of our religious beliefs.
Please
BE CAREFULL
in future. Try not to hurt feelings of someone.
i was not making fun.
how on earth do u expect a human 2 fly down from heavens 2 earth. now unless jesus he has a NASA rocket 2 fly down on, or else if he has some sort of wings, how do u explain a man flying upwads 2 sky and then after 2004 years of living on skies (god knows how) him coming down 2 earth?
dont u think it sounds a bit more like a fairy tale rather than islam?
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Talib jana , so u confess ,that whoever have made sects in Islam were stupid fool ,like me..
So which stupid Imam do u follow.?.according to ur definition..All the Four Immams and vise versa were fools...but i,m pretty sure ,that u must be one of those sects and follower of one of them if not many of them..u r a confused mass, and do not kho who created all this confussion..
agent digital and mulla tahsinullah, Isalm may b a good religion, but not a code of life, in this modren era..
there is no freedom at all, in Islam..and they have the license to kill evry body whoever apposes their ideas, and IF everything was cristal clear, so then these killing wld have not taken place for centurries..
So here is ur misunderstanding ,about free consiense and ideas...just try and we will see ,how much freedom is in their..if u were alive.
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let me reply 2 ur fairy tale stories in depth.
It is popular among many that Jesus was not crucified but ‘taken up into heaven alive’ and will be coming back (in his own person) before the Day of Judgement. Almost all over the World, many people have this belief as an article of faith. Where does this belief originate from? In very clear terms it is to be found in the Bible. Here are some references:
“So then, after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was RECEIVED UP INTO HEAVEN,AND SAT ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.” - MARK 16:19
“And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, AND CARRIED UPINTO HEAVEN.” - LUKE 24:51
The above verses from the Christian Bible leave no ambiguity in demonstrating that the Acsension of Jesus is Christian idea. Further more the Jews also have the concept of 'bodily acsension into heaven regarding "Elijah", as stated in the Jewish scriptures:
“And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; AND ELIJAH WENT UP BY A WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN.” - KINGS 2:11
“And Enoch walked with God; and he was not; FOR GOD TOOK HIM.” - GENESIS 5:24
now lets see what the Quran states about Jesus and his deprture from earth:
When Jesus (p) propagated the message of Allah, and invited people to obey the laws of Allah alone, the Religious leaders and Priests felt threatened, as in a Social order where subservience and obedience is only for Allah's Laws, there is no room left for the Clergy and they in turn showed severe opposition to the mission of Jesus:
“But when Isa perceived UNBELIEF <kufr> on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones <muslims>.” (3:52)
Now the unbelievers in Jesus' message plotted to stop the message of Allah from gaining ground, so they plotted against the person of Jesus.
“And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.” (3:54)
But Jesus himself stated that the unbelievers would not be able to kill him but instead his death would be in peace:
“And PEACE IS ON ME on the day I was born, and on the DAY THAT I DIE, and on the day I shall be raised up to life (again).” (19:33)
Allah himself assured Jesus that the unbelievers will not kill him, instead it is Allah who will complete his period of life and cause him to die, as said in the following verse:
“Lo ! God said: `O Jesus! Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto me, and cleanse thee of those who are bent on denying the truth;and I shall place those who follow thee above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the day of resurrection. In the end unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you with regard to all on which you were wont to differ.” (3:55) .
this same ayat 3:55 is translated by sunnis and shias in different ways. most sunni quranic translations translate the word "mute va feeka" in different ways.
i paste below translation of Abdullah Yusaf Ali:
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute
now the whole issue is based on the word "mute va feeka" which sunnis somehow claim that it means "raise" rather than "death".
so leme go a bit deeper into the meaning of the quranic word "mute va feeka" and see what it really means:
The expression in arabic <MUTE VA FEEKA> comes from the root word <VAFFA> which carries the meaning of ‘Completing something or some task to such an extent that nothing else is left out’. In the same manner <Vafaat> means ‘Death’, as in Death the life term of a person is fully completed.
Following are some references from Standard Arabic dictionaries which tell us about the meaning of the word <VAFFAT>.
‘VAFFAT’ = “Death”, “Decease” (An advanced Learners Arabic-English Dictionary by H. Anthony Salmone pp1222)
‘VAFFAT’ = “Death”, “Demise”, “Decease” (Al Mawrid Arabic-English Dictionary pp 1240)
‘TUVAFA’ = “To take the life of anyone” (A Dictionary & Glossary of the Koran by J. Penrice pp 161)
‘TUUFFA’ = “To die”, “Expire”, “Pass away”, “Give up the ghost”, “Breath ones last”, “Part ones life” (Al Mawrid Arabic-English Dictionary pp 391)
In English to Arabic dictionaries ie reverse the meaning of ‘vaffat’ is again confirmed;
“DEATH” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Manar English-Arabic Dictionary pp 157)
“DEATH” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Asri English-Arabic Dictionary pp 193)
“DEMISE” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Mawrid English-Arabic Dictionary pp 259)
“DEATH” = ‘vaffat’ (Al Mawrid Eng Arabic Dictionary pp 251)
Where ever the word “TUVAFA” or “MUTE VA FEEKA” is used in Al-Quran where Allah or His Angle is one who is doing TAVAFA and human beings are one whose TAVAFA is being done it always means the “seperation of soul from the body. although, it may be partial and temporary (i.e. at the time of sleep) or it may be complete and permanent (i.e. at the time of death)” as Allah says:
It is Allah that takes the souls <yatavafa> (of men) at death: and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death He keeps back (from returning to life) but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect. 39: 42.
(Translation by A. Yousaf Ali)
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(plz bear in mind yusaf ali is a sunni)
in the above ayat Allah clearly says that there are only two ways in which He does the “Tuvafa” of human being but sunnis somehow attribute a third type of “Tavafa” (i.e. bodily ascension) to Allah (In the case of Jesus only) in direct contradiction of the above ayat. the only answer u guys come up with is: Allah can do anything He wishes.
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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in case any1 has still got any doubts about the words "vaffa" or "tuvafa" or "mutavafa", then i paste below more ayats of the Quran which proves they all mean "death". all of u guys, yousafzai, tehsinallah and nangyalee r most welcome 2 check these ayats with their translation for urself:
“Our Lord! surely we have heard a preacher calling to the faith, saying: Believe in your Lord, so we did believe; Our Lord! forgive us therefore our faults, and cover our evil deeds and
MAKE US DIE <tuwaffana>
with the righteous.” (3:193)
“And you do not take revenge on us except because we have believed in the communications of our Lord when they came to us! Our Lord: Pour out upon us patience and
CAUSE US TO DIE <tuwaffana>
in submission.” (7:126)
“My Lord! Thou hast given me of the kingdom and taught me of the interpretation of sayings: Originator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my guardian in this world and the hereafter;
MAKE ME DIE A MUSLIM <tuwaffani muslim an>
and join me with the good.” (12:101)
“But how will it be when the angels
CAUSE THEM TO DIE <tawafat'hum>
smiting their backs.” (47:27)
“And Allah has created you, then He
CAUSES YOU TO DIE <yatawaffa'kum>,
and of you is he who is brought back to the worst part of life, so that after having knowledge he does not know anything; surely Allah is Knowing, Powerful.” (16:70)
“O people! if you are in doubt about the raising, then surely We created you from dust, then from a small seed, then from a clot, then from a lump of flesh, complete in make and incomplete, that We may make clear to you; and We cause what We please to stay in the wombs till an appointed time, then We bring you forth as babies, then that you may attain your maturity; and of you is he who is
CAUSED TO DIE <yutawaffa>,
and of you is he who is brought back to the worst part of life..” (22:5)
“Say: The angel of death who is given charge of you shall
CAUSE YOU TO DIE <yatawafaakum>
, then to your Lord you shall be brought back.” (32:11)
we are reminded through Jesus himself stating:
“I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst
CAUSE ME TO DIE <tavafaytani>
, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things” (5:117)"
the same verse Mr. Yusaf Ali translates as:
117. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst
take me up
Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things
now i ask u guys i.e. nangyaleee, yousafzai and tehsinullah that when on earth does "tavafaytani" means "take me up".
now u guys can see the contradictions in ur translated qurans for urself. in 1 place u guys translate "wafat" as death and and in other place where it suits u, u translate it as "raising up alive 2 heavens" which is nothing but a fairy tale transation.
it is so so so clear from the ayat, even from ur sunni translated Qurans that:
Jesus clearly mentions two periods, one in which he dwelt among his people, and the other in which Allah caused him to die. There is no other period mentioned here which informs of a stage of being taken up and stationed in heaven temporarily.
“...but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them.. <falama tavafaytani kunta antar raqiba alayhim>.” 5:117
lastly, i will give u guys 1 last example 2 read n understand for urself and then i rest my case. in quran, Jesus says:
“And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be and hath enjoined on me Prayer (Salat) and Charity (Zakat)as long as I live.” (19:31)
In above verse the words “.. as long as I live..” bear some importance. Jesus is to establish Salat and give Zakat AS LONG AS HE LIVES. Now if we accept that Jesus is taken up into heaven alive, then how is he performing these activities up there? He mentions that Allah has enjoined Salat and Zakat on him AS LONG AS HE LIVES <maa dumtu hay'yaa>.
Now some one can say that in heaven he may be performing Salat. But what about Zakat? Are there any Orphans and Unfortunate persons in heaven as well to whom Jesus is paying Zakat? Does God have any poor people in heaven too? Giving Zakat in heaven would say that in heaven there are poor people! Does this make any sense?!
if we were to accept that Jesus was physically raised ‘to Allah’ then this would mean that Allah is sitting someplace in heaven and one needs to travel up to him. Such an idea about God is un Quranic and is an invention of Jewish and Christian theology, where they have a concept of ‘Holy father in heaven’. But the Qur'an on the other hands tells us clearly that Allah is not sitting someplace high up in heaven but:
“..He is with you wherever you are..” (57:4)
“..Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more
BUT HE IS WITH THEM WHERESOEVER THEY ARE..
” (58:7)
“..We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.” (50:16)
“And We are nearer to it( the human soul) than you,
BUT YOU DO NOT SEE
.” (56:85)
The above verses clearly negate the concept of a ‘Father (or God situated) in Heaven’ or God confined to a space, so that to reach him you need to travel up into heaven. This concept that God is confined in heaven is a Jewish and Christian idea, clearly mentioned at many places in the Bible. But the Qu'ran does not uphold this view and on the contrary clearly negates it. God is not restricted to time and space but His presence is everywhere, all the time but we cannot see or comprehend it. So again the idea of God stationed someplace in heaven and Jesus ascending unto Him is not verified by the Qur'an.
hence, with the above arguments based on quranic ayats, i rest my case and prove that jesus son of marry is dead and that he died a natural death.
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Quote from: gharsanay on July 29, 2004, 11:06:49 AM
Talib jana , so u confess ,that whoever have made sects in Islam were stupid fool ,like me..
So which stupid Imam do u follow.?.according to ur definition..All the Four Immams and vise versa were fools...but i,m pretty sure ,that u must be one of those sects and follower of one of them if not many of them..u r a confused mass, and do not kho who created all this confussion..
agent digital and mulla tahsinullah, Isalm may b a good religion, but not a code of life, in this modren era..
there is no freedom at all, in Islam..and they have the license to kill evry body whoever apposes their ideas, and IF everything was cristal clear, so then these killing wld have not taken place for centurries..
So here is ur misunderstanding ,about free consiense and ideas...just try and we will see ,how much freedom is in their..if u were alive.
Mr Zindweeq as u said islam is not the code of life.
Islam is a perfect relegion for all but zindeeq like u are dumb and could not find .
Quran is the source of guidence for all agaes anf for all nations.and Islam is Alla,s Favourate relegion so why cant it be a perfact code of life dumb ass. sick man like u always misguide people . go and get a good life .
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Qadyani and Holy Quran
"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of ALLAH and the Seal of the Prophets, and ALLAH has knowledge of everything". ( 33 : 40 ) Al-Quran.
Also:
"Those who have made divisions in their religion and have become sects, thou art not of them in anything; their affair is only unto ALLAH, and He will tell them what they have been doing". ( 6 : 160 ) Al-Quran.
"They only forge falsehood who do not believe in the Signs of ALLAH, and they are the liars". ( 16 : 105 ) Al-Quran.
"...Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My blessing on you, and I am pleased to make Submission (Islam) your religion...". ( 5 : 3 ) Al-Quran.
"And We have sent no Messenger but in the language of his people, that he may make all clear to them; then ALLAH sends astray whom He will, and guides whom He will; and He is the Mighty, the Wise". ( 14 : 4 ) Al-Quran.
"It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by ALLAH and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys ALLAH and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path". ( 33 : 36 ) Al-Quran.
"We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by ALLAH's leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of ALLAH, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found ALLAH Forgiving, Merciful. But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission". ( 4 : 64-65 ) Al-Quran.
"O ye who believe! Obey ALLAH, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to ALLAH and His Messenger, if ye do believe in ALLAH and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination". ( 4 : 59 ) Al-Quran.
"Had We sent this as a Quran (in a language) other than Arabic they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger) an Arab?" Say: "It is a guide and a healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not there is a deafness in their ears and it is blindness in their (eyes); they are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!". ( 41 : 44 ) Al-Quran.
"Who doth more wrong than such as forge a lie against ALLAH or deny His Signs? But never will prosper those who sin". ( 10 : 60 ) Al-Quran.
"Those who believe not in the Signs of ALLAH, ALLAH will not guide them and theirs will be a grievous Penalty". ( 16 : 104 ) Al-Quran.
"Therefore give admonition in case the admonition profits (the hearer). The admonition will be received by those who fear (ALLAH): But it will be avoided by those most unfortunate ones. Who will enter the Great Fire In which they will then neither die nor live". ( 87 : 9-13 ) Al-Quran
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Yousafzai Gharsanay has some issues man. First of all he got gored by a bull and secondly he is ugle he mama used feed him with a sling shot.
Don't worry about him he just a looser thats all.
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in the Quran it never states that ISA (AS) "DIED"
ok, now i dont want to start an argument with you, Digital, but i want to ADVICE you to watch a Debat between Ahmad Deedat, and some arab- christian, (forgot the name), the video is called, "Is Jesus(as) son of God" its a very old video, so enjoy,
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nANGOO CAN U TELL ME HOW UR MAMAMA USE TO FEED U, AND WAT FROM..WHICH FEEDING FORMULLA WAS ADVISED BY UR
?? I UNDERSTAND IT SHE WILL NOT TELL U, BUT WE CAN GUESS...
NOW YOU ARE ADVISED NOT TO BRING MOTHERS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ON HUJRA, BECOZ THEY GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR IDEAS...AND THE MOTHERS ARE USUALLY NOT DISCUSSED IN HUJRAS,,I HOPE U,LL UNDERSTAND IT..
YOUSAFZIA I DO,NT CARE ABOUT UR FAITH AND BELIEVES , MY TASTLE IS NOT WITH IDEALOGY, MY PROBLEM BEGINS WHEN U TRY TO MAKE ME FOOL ON THE NAME OF THE RELIGION...
RELIGION GOT NOTHING IN THE SOCIOECNoMIC STRUCTURE, IT HAS NEVER BEEN INVOLVED ,,it was used by humans and was made as a support and sheild from the masses on the name of God by defferrent Mullas from almost every religion and different time..
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Quote from: Deucallion on July 30, 2004, 12:33:27 PM
in the Quran it never states that ISA (AS) "DIED"
ok, now i dont want to start an argument with you, Digital, but i want to ADVICE you to watch a Debat between Ahmad Deedat, and some arab- christian, (forgot the name), the video is called, "Is Jesus(as) son of God" its a very old video, so enjoy,
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oos charta tehktey?
i dont need 2 watch anybody's videos, i have my own brains and Quran to read and use and make up my mind based on sound judgement.
if u can reply 2 all of the arguments i have given in my posts based on quranic ayats, then u r most welcome. else if u dont wana start an argument and just stick to "u r kafir" policy, then i suggest u do some reading of the Quran urself b4 deciding whoz muslim n who aint.
jesus son of marry is dead, dead and 100% dead and i ve proved it. if u can prove me wrong, then come along, lets see what prove u have from quran.
digi
p.s: considering jesus dead is not an insult 2 him, he is a prophet of Allah like all the other prophets and considering him dead as per Quranic instructions is only following the quran in its true understanding, he is dead like all other prophets.
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its interesting 2 see how yousafzai avoids all of the 10s of ayats of Quran thru which i prove jesus's death and tries changing the subject 2 something else i.e. "u r kafir, kafir policy".
anyways, rest assured, i am rite here 2 crush all ur arguments based on the same Quran which both u and i have in our homes.
yousafzai writes:
Qadyani and Holy Quran
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"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of ALLAH and the Seal of the Prophets, and ALLAH has knowledge of everything". ( 33 : 40 ) Al-Quran.
now tell me something, since when has the word "SEAL" meant "end" in arabic lughet/grammar? When the President of Pakistan sends a letter, it has the "SEAL" of the President of Pakistan, doesnt it? why do ppl say "it has the SEAL of the President"?
This verse was revealed to hazrat Muhammad pbuh when his enemies jeered at him for his being childless (male children), when Allah comforted him with this verse among others, indicating his greatness and superiority. The word "walaakin" ("but") in the verse indicates that his being issueless is of little or no significance when one looks at his great qualities mentioned in the next part of the verse.
Nowhere in the verse is there mention of his being the "last" prophet.
If "seal" is taken to mean "last" in the context, it does not make any logical sense, as that would have further aggravated the mockery -- what good is there in coming last of all anyway? It does not signify greatness. The "seal" should be taken to mean the seal of authority, under attestation of which one can attain prophethood.
show me 1 ayat of Quran in which it uses the word "LAST" prophet for Muhammad PBUH! the only word it uses is "SEAL" and SEAL as i have proved means "authority" and "greatness" and not "last".
lets even suppose muhammad pbuh is the last prophet of Allah, then plz explain 2 me what the following ayat is supposed 2 mean:
O CHILDREN OF ADAM! IF MESSENGERS COME TO YOU FROM AMONG YOURSELVES, REHEARSING MY SIGNS UNTO YOU, FEAR GOD AND DO GOOD DEEDS AS THEN, NO FEAR OR GRIEF SHALL TOUCH YOU (Al Quran, 7:36)
yousafzai writes:
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"Those who have made divisions in their religion and have become sects, thou art not of them in anything; their affair is only unto ALLAH, and He will tell them what they have been doing". ( 6 : 160 ) Al-Quran.
the sunnis in themselves r a sect of islam, since when has it been the case that the sunnis r the divine righteous sect? yes divisions r wrong, but what is of importance in this ayat is that Allah warns us in advance that dont make divisions, but if u do, stick to the right group, now deciding which sect is right is a journey which is faraz on all us muslims, we need 2 explore the quran n ahadith and choose the right sect.
just bcoz u r born sunni doesnt entitle u to being the right 1s, nor does it mean that sunnis arent a "sect", hence ur above pasted ayat is correct bcoz its a ayat from Quran, but u need 2 understand it urself b4 u apply it on others.
yousafzai writes:
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"They only forge falsehood who do not believe in the Signs of ALLAH, and they are the liars". ( 16 : 105 ) Al-Quran.
instead of just randomly copying n pasting quranic ayats, why dont u try answering 2 my arguments n proves which clearly proves jesus is dead.
anyways, in reply 2 ur ayat, i paste the following ayat which suits ppl like urself very well:
Those who have rejected Our signs are deaf and dumb, in utter darkness. Whom Allah wills He lets go astray and whom He wills He places on the right path.
6:40
the signs that jesus is dead are right there in Quran, yet u seem 2 be dead n dumb. if u cant find them, then scroll up n read my previous posts!!
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"...Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My blessing on you, and I am pleased to make Submission (Islam) your religion...". ( 5 : 3 ) Al-Quran.
subhanallah, now u have truly shot urself in ur own foot. the above ayat clearly tells muhammad pbuh that his religion has been completed for him.
yet ppl like u want 2 get a christain prophet i.e. jesus come back to earth and give the final touches 2 islam. isnt it strange? why is Allah going 2 send another prophet Jesus 2 finish the final job for muslims while Allah himself clearly states in the above verse that
"Today I have perfected your religion for you......"
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lets suppose u r rite and Jesus is alive in heavens (somehow for 2004 years), and lets suppose he is going 2 come down 2 help us muslims, then why did Allah tell muhammad pbuh that "I have perfected your religion for you"
yousafzai writes:
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"And We have sent no Messenger but in the language of his people, that he may make all clear to them; then ALLAH sends astray whom He will, and guides whom He will; and He is the Mighty, the Wise". ( 14 : 4 ) Al-Quran.
yet again, u r just pasting ayats 2 change the topic. i can do the same, carry on pasting 100s of ayats which have nothing 2 do with jesus's death, but since we r talking about jesus's death, why dont u try proving based on quran that HE is not DEAD?
khair neways, in reply 2 ur above ayat, i paste the following:
Those who dispute concerning the Signs of Allah without any authority having come to them from Allah. Grievously hateful is this in the Sight of Allah and in the sight of those who believe. Thus does Allah set a seal upon the heart of every arrogant, haughty person
40:36
yousafzai writes:
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"It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by ALLAH and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys ALLAH and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path". ( 33 : 36 ) Al-Quran.
and i agree, u r truly disobeying Allah;s decisions that Jesus is DEAD!
yousazafzai writes:
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"O ye who believe! Obey ALLAH, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to ALLAH and His Messenger, if ye do believe in ALLAH and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination". ( 4 : 59 ) Al-Quran.
i agree, we differ on Jesus's death, so why dont we refer it Allah i.e. Quran? since quran is directly from Allah!!
yousafzai writes:
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"Had We sent this as a Quran (in a language) other than Arabic they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger) an Arab?" Say: "It is a guide and a healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not there is a deafness in their ears and it is blindness in their (eyes); they are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!". ( 41 : 44 ) Al-Quran.
and what has this ayat got 2 do with Jesus's death topic? or is it another lame try 2 change topics?
yousafzai writes:
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"Who doth more wrong than such as forge a lie against ALLAH or deny His Signs? But never will prosper those who sin". ( 10 : 60 ) Al-Quran.
time ll decide whose prospered and who hasnt. as of now, i can only see ur types not prospering. e.g. taleban, wahabis, extremists, fundamentalists, jesus fairy tales novelists etc!
yousafzai writes:
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"Those who believe not in the Signs of ALLAH, ALLAH will not guide them and theirs will be a grievous Penalty". ( 16 : 104 ) Al-Quran.
thats rite! and 1 of the signs of Allah is that Jesus is Dead and u dont seem 2 wana accept it.
last of all, i paste below a hadith since u like running away from Quran and pasting ahadith.
IT IS NARRATED BY HAZRAT IBNE ABBAAS (R.A.) THAT WHEN IBRAHIM, SON OF THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH PASSED AWAY, THE PROPHET (PBUH) SAID HIS FUNERAL PRAYER AND SAID THAT THERE IS A NURSE FOR HIM IN PARADISE AND IF HE HAD LIVED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A TRUE PROPHET (Ibne Maja vol. 1, Kitaabal Janaiz, p. 237)
Ibne Maja is one of the Siha Sitta, the most authentic books of Hadeeth
. It is interesting to note that Ibrahim passed away a number of years after the verse about "Khatam-an-Nabiyyeen" was revealed. He died in the year 9 A.H. and the verse was revealed in 5 AH. About four years after he knew through revelation that he was "Khataman Nabiyyeen", his saying about his son: had he lived, he would certainly have been a prophet, clearly implies that he himself did not interpret the meaning of "Khatam-an-Nabiyyeen" literally, as "Last of the Prophets".
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Quote from: Yousafzai98 on July 27, 2004, 01:39:12 AM
Salam friends Deucallion and Tahsin sab
they are always busy in disgracing islam .
so thats why we are here to defend islam and we have to stand against them.
Qadyani and Hadith (s.a.w.w)
"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of ALLAH and the Seal of the Prophets, and ALLAH has knowledge of everything". ( 33 : 40 ) Al-Quran.
Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w):
1. My position in relation to the Prophets who came before me, can be explained by the following example: A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marveled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi, Masnad Ahmed, Abu Dawood)
2. ALLAH has bestowed upon me six favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy: I have been endowed with the gift of pithy and perfect speech; I was granted victory owing to my awe; The spoils of war were made lawful unto me; The whole earth has been made the place of worship for me and it has become the means of purification for me also. In other words, in my religion, offering of prayers is not confined to certain specified places of worship. Prayers can be offered at any place over the earth. And in case water is not available, it is lawful for my people to perform ablutions with earth (Tayammum) and to cleanse themselves with the soil, if water for bathing is scarce; I have been sent by ALLAH to carry His Divine message to the whole world; And the line of prophets has come to its final end in me. (Muslim, Tirimzi, Ibn-e-Majah)
3. I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity shall be erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall be assembled on Doomsday after my time. And I am the last in the sense that no Prophet shall succeed me. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi, Mishkawt)
4. You (Hazrat Ali) are related to me as Haroon was related to Musa. But no Apostle will come after me.
(Bukhari, Muslim); Musnad recorded the similar Hadith ending in, "Behold there is no Prophethood after me".
5. If ever there arose a person from among my people who would hold communion with ALLAH, it would be none else but Umar Bin Khattab. (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi)
6. We are the last (Ummah) but will precede all on the Day of Resurrection except that the Book was given to them before us. (Bukhari, Muslim)
7. The tribe of Israel was guided by Prophets. When a Prophet passed away, another Prophet succeeded him. But no Prophet will come after me; only Caliphs will succeed me. (Bukhari)
8. I am the last in line of the Prophets of ALLAH and my Masjid is the last Masjid. (Muslim)
9. The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me.
(Tirimzi, Masnad Ahmed)
10. There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a Prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of ALLAH and no Prophet will come after me. (Abu Dawood, Tirmizi)
11. ALLAH will send no Apostle after me, but only Mubasshiraat (Good vision or pious vision). (Masnad Ahmed, Nisai, Abu Dawood)
12. No Prophet will come after me and there will, therefore, be no other community of followers of any new Prophet. (Baihaqi, Tibrani)
13. ALLAH has sent into the world no Apostle who did not warn his people about the appearance of Dajjal (Anti-Christ, but Dajjal did not appear in their time). I am the last in the line of Prophets and you are the last community of believers. Without doubt, then, Dajjal shall appear from amongst you. (Ibn-e-Majah)
Hazrat Muhammad PBUH was, indeed the last of prophets, but in what sense?
In the figurative sense, and in no other sense, as we see in the following Ahadeeth, in which even though the word "Akhar" -- last or end, is used as such, it is clear that it does NOT mean "chronologically last".
"I AM THE LAST OF THE PROPHETS AND YOU ARE THE LAST OF THE PEOPLES" (Sahih Muslim)
It is true that the word used is "last", but in the same sentence is also mentioned that "you are the last of peoples".
Have there not been people (chronologically) after the people who were addressed by the Prophet (pbuh)?
I AM THE LAST OF THE PROPHETS AND MY MOSQUE IS THE LAST MOSQUE. (Sahih Muslim, Kitabul Haj Fazlis Salaat, p. 531)
It is crystal clear that even though the Holy Prophet called himself the "last of the prophets", it should not be taken in its literal meaning, for then one would have to believe that the Prophet (pbuh) also implied that there would not be any mosque after his. Any one who has seen a mosque has probably seen one that was constructed after the Holy Prophet's. I have not yet had the chance to see his mosque, but have seen hundreds that were built after his. The real meaning implied by the Prophet (pbuh) is clearly "of the greatest rank", or "highest in rank" rather than "last" in order of time.
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yousafzai writes:
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"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of ALLAH and the Seal of the Prophets, and ALLAH has knowledge of everything". ( 33 : 40 ) Al-Quran.
even though i have in depth replied to the above verse and explained the meaning of SEAL, but in case if u still dont agree with me, then i paste below the following examples.
In all of the below examples, SEAL has not been used as "LAST", rather on all occassions "SEAL" has been used as "great" and showing "Authority".
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KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA
(seal of poets) was used for the poet Abu Tamam. (Wafiyatul A'yan, vol. 1, p. 123, Cairo)
2.
KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA
again, used for Abul Tayyeb. (Muqaddama Deewanul Mutanabbi, Egyptian p. 4)
3.
KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA
again, used for Abul 'Ala Alme'ry. (ibid, p.4, footnote)
4.
KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA
used for Shaikh Ali Huzain in India. (Hayati Sa'di, p. 117)
5.
KHATAM-USH-SHU'ARAA
used for Habeeb Shairaazi in Iran. (Hayati Sa'di, p. 87)
Note here that all five people have been given the above title. How could it be interpreted as "last". They did not come and go at the exact same time.
6.
KHATAM-AL-AULIYAA
(seal of saints) for Hazrat Ali (May God be pleased with him). (Tafsir Safi, Chapter AlAhzab)
Can no other person now attain wilaayat, if "seal" meant last?
7.
KHATAM-AL-AULIYAA
used for Imam Shaf'ee. (Al Tuhfatus Sunniyya, p. 45)
8.
KHATAM-AL-AULIYAA
used for Shaikh Ibnul 'Arabee. (Fatoohati Makkiyyah, on title page)
9.
KHATAM-AL-KARAAM
(seal of remedies) used for camphor. (Sharah Deewanul Mutanabbee, p. 304)
Has no medicine been found or used after camphor, if "seal" means "last"?
10.
KHATAM-AL-A'IMMAH
(seal of religious leaders) used for Imam Muhammad 'Abdah of Egypt. (Tafseer Alfatehah, p. 148)
Don't we have leaders today?
11.
KHATAM-ATUL-MUJAHIDEEN
(seal of crusaders) for AlSayyad Ahmad Sanosi. (Akhbar AlJami'atul Islamiyyah, Palestine, 27 Muharram, 1352 A.H.)
12.
KHATAM-ATUL-ULAMAA-ALMUHAQQIQEEN
(seal of research scholars) used for Ahmad Bin Idrees. (Al'Aqadun Nafees)
13.
KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN
(seal of researchers) for Abul Fazl Aloosi. (on the title page of the CommentaryRoohul Ma'aanee)
14.
KHATAM-AL-MUHAQQIQEEN
used for Shaikh AlAzhar Saleem Al Bashree. (Al Haraab, p. 372)
15.
KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN
used for Imam Siyotee. (Title page ofTafseerul Taqaan)
16.
KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN
(seal of narrators) for Hazrat Shah Waliyyullah of Delhi. ('Ijaalah Naafi'ah, vol. 1)
17.
KHATAMAT-AL-HUFFAAZ
(seal of custodians) for AlShaikh Shamsuddin. (AlTajreedul Sareeh Muqaddimah, p. 4)
A "hafiz" is one who has memorised the full arabic text of the Holy Quran.
18.
KHATAM-AL-AULIA
(seal of saints) used for the greatest saint. (Tazkiratul Auliyaa', p. 422)
19.
KHATAM-AL-AULIA
used for a saint who completes stages of progress. (Fatoohul Ghaib, p. 43)
20.
KHATAM-ATUL-FUQAHAA
(seal of jurists) used for Al Shaikh Najeet. (Akhbaar Siraatal Mustaqeem Yaafaa, 27 Rajab, 1354 A.H.)
21.
KHATAM-AL-MUFASSIREEN
(seal of commentators or exegetes) for Shaikh Rasheed Raza. (Al Jaami'atul Islamia, 9 Jamadiy thaani, 1354 A.H.)
22.
KHATAM-ATUL-FUQAHAA
used for Shaikh Abdul Haque. (Tafseerul Akleel, title page)
23.
KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN
(seal of researchers) for Al Shaikh Muhammad Najeet. (Al Islam Asr Shi'baan, 1354 A.H.)
24.
KHATAM-AL-WALAAYAT
(seal of sainthood) for best saint. (Muqaddimah Ibne Khuldoon, p. 271)
25.
KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN WAL MUFASSIREEN
(seal of narrators and commentators) used for Shah 'Abdul 'Azeez. (Hadiyyatul Shi'ah, p. 4)
26.
KHATAM-AL-MAKHLOOQAAT AL-JISMAANIYYAH
(seal of bodily creatures) used for the human being. (Tafseer Kabeer, vol. 2, p. 22, published in Egypt)
27.
KHATAM-ATUL-HUFFAAZ
used for Shaikh Muhammad Abdullah. (Al Rasaail Naadirah, p. 30)
28.
KHATAM-ATUL-MUHAQQIQEEN
used for Allaama Sa'duddeen Taftaazaani. (Shara' Hadeethul Arba'een, p. 1)
29.
KHATAM-ATUL-HUFFAAZ
used for Ibn Hajrul 'Asqalaani. (Tabqaatul Madlaseen, title page)
30.
KHATAM-AL-MUFASSIREEN
(seal of commentators) used for Maulvi Muhammad Qaasim. (Israare Quraani, title page)
31.
KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN
(seal of narrators) used for Imam Siyotee. (Hadiyyatul Shee'ah, p. 210)
32.
KHATAM-AL-HUKKAAM
(seal of rulers) used for kings. (Hujjatul Islam, p. 35)
33.
KHATAM-AL-KAAMILEEN
(seal of the perfect) used for the Holy Prophet (pbuh). (Hujjatul Islam, p. 35)
34.
KHATAM-AL-MARAATAB
(seal of statuses) for status of humanity. ('Ilmul Kitaab, p. 140)
We have the "highest, not "last" status.
35.
KHATAM-AL-KAMAALAAT
(seal of miracles) for the Holy Prophet (pbuh). (ibid, p. 140)
36.
KHATAM-AL-ASFIYAA AL A'IMMAH
(seal of mystics of the nation) for Jesus (peace be on him). (Baqiyyatul Mutaqaddimeen, p. 184)
37.
KHATAM-AL-AUSIYAA
(seal of advisers) for Hazrat Ali (R.A.A.). (Minar Al Hudaa, p. 106)
38.
KHATAM-AL-MU'ALLIMEEN
(seal of teachers/scholars) used for the Holy Prophet(pbuh). (Alsiraatul Sawee by Allama Muhammad Sabtain
39.
KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN
(seal of narrators) for Al Shaikhul Sadooq. (Kitaab Man Laa Yahdarahul Faqeeh)
40.
KHATAM-AL-MUHADDITHEEN
used for Maulvi Anwar Shah of Kashmir. (Kitaab Raeesul Ahrar, p. 99)
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Re:Are Qadyani's Kafir?
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digi and mr zindeeq !
you wrote a long story and u wanted people not to read it thats why u always write so long posts and i am sure no one read ur posts.but any way i am the one who use to read coz ur posts and refernces are just stories. there is nothing to belive in .
u didnot specefy any single Quranic aya which clearify that Jesus is dead.(NA OOZUBILLAH). and the refernces u have mentioned is from some where else .
and no one will belive in that.
there is no need to write a long story just write single quranic aya and and explain .
and i am sure there is no single aya in quran wich clearify , yes there might be ayaths in Tawrat and Engeel , but the the christains and jews have modified them so we dont belive in that.
He is alive and will come back to this world as a Umatee of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of Allah be upon him). there is no question about that.
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July 31, 2004, 01:12:47 AM »
DIGI man get a job or a hobby hhooooweeeh!!! some long posts there.
And what is that KAHTAM I IMAMIA THING. Is that the holy book of the religion from Punjab?.
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